Topic: Religion?

Well, I have to say that I do agree with you mostly, although I will still always see the null state being atheism XD

Why can't you people write short posts?

BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF STARS!

Philosophical topics are not black and white and cannot be fully discussed in a short post. If you don't care enough about the topic to read through a long post about it, then what are you doing here?

Just tryin to lighten things up Mr Philosopher! Too much of religion is not good for health.

Agnostic or atheist... blah blah blah.

Not accepting something is NOT the same as denying it exists.

I just try to avoid thinking about the possible existence of God(s). Why spend hours reasoning about something that cannot be proven true or false?

... yet.

That's kind of like someone in the middle ages saying he doesn't think about diseases because there's no way he could understand it. If you never ask questions, how can you ever expect to get anywhere?

And if the answer seems impossible to find, then so much the better, you'll find a lot more answers on the way there.

How about this:

Before we waste our time talking about possibilities of something existing, we come up with a working definition? No one seems to be able to do that, so I'm not wasting my time chasing silly notions in someone's head.

Quote:

For Nade

Hah, I actually had that song in mind when I wrote that ;D

The cosmos is also within us, we're made of STAR STUFF!

A working definition of what?

Oh. I thought Nade was being a juggalo.

God is the English name given to a singular being who is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a single deity in polytheism.
God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe. Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the many different conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.

Is there one of those you don't feel like including in our Plant Wars definition of god?

Also:

if God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent
if God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good
if God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why is there evil?

Edited by /-/$Duskbloom on 10/20/10 at 8:05:32 pm

This a great topic =] i love reading this

Quote:

if God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent if God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good if God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why is there evil?

Was that referring to Epicurus?
He had a similar quote that is quite famous:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"


Also, why do we need meaning?
I'm perfectly happy with ignorant bliss, so long as I have my Playstation.

Amen.

And yeah, it does.

The theory falls apart here:

"If god is not willing to prevent evil, then he is not good."

It's just not that black and white.

We have decided as a society that freedom is a good thing. By that token alone, god, by allowing us the freedom of will to choose to do evil, maintains benevolence.

That's not even getting into the real question of what truly constitutes good and evil. Even assuming the ten commandments made it down the centuries undistorted, we cannot assume, just because we have one set of rules, that they are all-encompassing. Remember, the first two tablets moses brought down had different commandments on them. (Not to mention the fact that it would be all but impossible to fit all of the fantastic depth of one of life's greatest questions, that of right and wrong, into ten short statements.)

Nor does it touch whether or not god would find the petty dealings of a few mortals in their infinitesimally short lives at all significant to begin with. Assuming we're talking about the christian dogma, the afterlife is eternal, so anything we do in the here and now is a mere blip in the long run, and since, running with christianity, we'd also be assuming he's omnipresent and eternal, that would make anything we do a mere blip to him too.

To get any good god paradoxes, you'll need to go way deeper into metaphysical philosophy (my domain). Omnipresence and omnipotence in alternate timelines gets really convoluted, and is therefore a great source of paradox.

Alternative time lines you say. well the physicist in me wants to know how you see that working